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Peter Crouch, FSG Chairman, welcomed everyone to the meeting. Despite the small attendance he was pleased to see representatives of users, compiler vendors and trainers.
In the absence of David Muxworthy and John Reid through ill health their presentations were taken as read. The Chairman recorded his thanks to David and John for providing their presentations and wished them a speedy return to good health.
UK Requirements for Fortran 2003+
The six proposals circulated before the meeting were discussed.
The meeting went on to consider the four UK proposals listed in DM's presentation.
As there was still plenty of time available the meeting looked at the J3 Submissions listed in DM's presentation.
The meeting supported most of the items listed and made the following comments:
Of the items listed in J3's classification of "low priority" items the meeting wished the following submissions to be given a higher priority:
Comments provided by e-mail:
John Reid, 08/03/05
My first point is that I think we are being rushed. It seems inappropriate to choose the features for a revision of Fortran 2003 before any compilers are in place and before we have any experience of using the language. The counter argument is that the features for Fortran 2003 were chosen a long ago and we need now to consider those features for which a need has became apparent since that time.
So I would like us to be very mean about the features that we approve in Delft for inclusion. Let me remind you of our scale (N1594):
It is probably a good idea to approve soon any at level 6 and above (e.g. Co-array Fortran or parameterized modules, see J3-05-145r3) so that J3 has plenty of time to work on them, but let's leave room for smaller proposals later.
Malcolm Cohen, 18/03/05
We should at least pick a little more than J3 has time to finish before the next meeting. Otherwise we end up defaulting the decision on what to do to J3. I've not been hugely impressed by J3's procedures for decision-making this time around.
Furthermore, we have to pick ALL the big items we intend to do. Next meeting will be too late since by definition they will then take longer to develop than the time available.
One question for the UK is surely whether to push co-array Fortran since we brought the subject up.
For that matter, how many big items do we want to do? Do we want to do ANY big items?
Perhaps we should discuss all the repository entries prior to the meeting; I know everyone is busy (I sure am) but having been flooded by J3 suggestions leaving it until the meeting will be too late. We should at least form an initial opinion on some of them beforehand, even if we change our minds at the meeting.
Any Other Business
In the autumn of 2004 a note was published in the Computer Conservation Society's "Computer Resurrection" suggesting that 2004 was the 50th anniversary of the birth of Fortran. The FSG Chairman with assistance from David Muxworthy wrote to the Editor of "Resurrection" suggesting that while 2004 could be considered as the 50th anniverary of the conception of Fortran the 50th anniversary of its birth would be in early 2007. For various reasons the next issue of "Resurrection" which should contain this letter had not yet appeared. (It was finally distributed towards the end of April.)
It was agreed the the Chairman and John Young should liaise with the CCS regarding a celebration of the 50th anniversary of the launch of Fortran in 1957, to be held in early 2007.
The Chairman closed the meeting by thanking everyone for their time and contributions. The agreed notes from the meeting would be passed on to the BSI Fortran panel to assist them in preparing the UK's submission to the WG5/J3 meeting in Delft in May this year.
Comments on this or any other of the Group's pages should be sent by e-mail to the BCS FSG Web Editor, Peter Crouch.
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